Liberty = Girly Car?

So, « this forum pretty much addresses my whole ‘Isn’t it sort of a girly car?’ » problem. One example:

‘I am 32, male, living in the city of Chicago. I used to be a VW Jetta driver, but traded it off for a new 2002 Red Liberty a couple of years ago. … I have had zero problems with it in the 25 months that I’ve had it. The gas mileage factor was a bit of an adjustment, especially coming from a Jetta. When I first bought the Liberty, I heard a couple of people say the same thing about it being a girly car. I took offense to this, since I thought my Jetta was much more girly than the KJ. Still, there are ways to “Butch” it up with add-ons. You can buy the Renegade edition light bar and rack, add off-roading parts and guards, etc.

And so on. I guess my opinion of the Liberty continues to move over to the more positive side. I just can’t get over them trashing the original Cherokee.

What I Want

If I go with a new Liberty, here’s what I want and what it would cost:

2005 LIBERTY RENEGADE 4X4 D Pkg . . . $23,560.00
» Primary: Dark Khaki Pearl Coat . . . $150.00
» Interior: Dark Khaki/Light Graystone . . . Included
» 3.7L Power Tech V6 Engine . . . Included
» Command-Trac HD Part-Time 4WD System . . . Included
» Corporate 8.25 Rear Axle . . . Included
» 3.55 Axle Ratio . . . Included
» 4-Speed Automatic Transmission . . . $825.00
» Premium Leather-Trimmed Bucket Seats . . . Included
» P225/75R16 OWL All Season Tires . . . Included
» 16” x 7.0” Aluminum Wheels . . . Included
» Trailer Tow Group . . . $365.00
» 6 Speakers . . . Included
» AM/FM Stereo Radio with In-Dash 6-Disc CD Player . . . $300.00
» Heated Front Seats . . . $250.00
» Power Driver’s Seat . . . Included
» Air Conditioning . . . Included
» Luxury Group . . . $1,245.00
» Engine Block Heater . . . $40.00
» Power Sunroof . . . $700.00
» Tire Pressure Monitoring Display . . . $75.00
» Skid Plate Group . . . Included
» Delete Light Bar . . . ($120.00)
» Fog Lamps . . . Included
» Speed Control . . . Included
» Base Price . . . $23,560.00
» D Pkg. . . . $750.00
» Options . . . $3,830.00
» Accessories . . . $0.00
» Destination . . . $610.00
» MSRP . . . $28,750.00
» Cash Allowance . . . -($1,750.00)
» Bonus Cash . . . -($1,000.00)
Net MSRP . . . $26,000.00

I could make some sacrifices; heated seats, tire pressure monitor and 6-disc cd changer I can do without. We’ll see what happens.

Where We Stand

I’ve had three Jeeps before: a ‘92 Black Cherry Cherokee Sport; a ‘98 Dark Green Cherokee Sport; and an ‘01 Patriot Blue Wrangler Sport (my current vehicle). I love them all, but was especially happy with the Cherokees.

Alas, they stopped making them in ‘01 and, while I’d love to have a third one, the newest ones are now four years old and have upwards of 40,000 miles on them, often with no warranties.

So I’ve begun the process of looking into a lease on a new ‘05 something or other and the most likely suspect is a Liberty Renegade or Sport. Now as much as I love the Cherokee and hated Daimler for ending the marque in ‘01 and replacing it with what I originally thought of as a girly car, I have to admit that I took a test-drive of a Liberty Sport on Saturday and it pretty much changed my mind.

I still far and away prefer the Cherokee, but the Liberty isn’t quite as … silly as I thought. It handles beautifully, has a solid ride, is loads more quiet than the soft-top Wrangler I have now (of course) and comes with enough bells and whistles to change my mind.

I also drove the redesigned ‘05 Grand Cherokee and was expecting to be happy with it. I came away disappointed. There wasn’t much wrong with it; it’s just that it’s entirely the wrong Jeep for me. I felt like a hetero dad on his way to the mall to pick up the wife, 3.4 kids and dog. The GC is just huge. It seemed like major overkill.

The one problem I had with it was the visibility. The windows are so narrow, especially at the back, that I was scared I was going to back into something. Obviously, my point of view is skewed by spending the last four years in the Wrangler, with it’s big ol’ windows and short body. But the GC was just … well, I felt like I was in a box. And looking out the front wasn’t much better; two very thick front pillars obstructed my left and right scanning/peripheral vision in an annoying and potentially scary way.

Disappointed with the GC, I didn’t even get it out on the freeway like I did the Liberty. I’m still a bit squeamish about the Liberty’s … okay, sue me if you think I’m being misogynistic and maybe I am … sort of girlie looks. But the way it drives and handles and everything else pretty much made me change my mind, for the most part. I mean, if I can’t have a brand new ‘05 Cherokee, well, maybe this is almost as good.

So, why not another Wrangler? I love my Wrangler. It handles beautifully and it’s easy to park and maneuver and I like the convertibility of the soft top. I like the shorter body. But.

The ride is rough. It did fine when we came to AA from San Francisco, but it was rough. And there was no cargo room (the poor beagle was squashed in there for eight days). And the cargo thing is my biggest objection. Getting groceries is hell, especially in bad weather.

With my arthritic hands, unzipping that window makes my knuckles bleed in the winter. And you get dirty. And there’s not enough room for groceries, which go skittering all over the place. One of the Liberty’s big pluses for me the other day was discovering a row of multiple grocery bag hooks in the cargo space. Woo-hoo!

The Wrangler is a great second car, something to have fun with. I love it and enjoy driving it, but it’s not practical. If I had the money, I’d just pay off the lease and keep it and go get a Liberty or even an ‘01 Cherokee and be very happy. Alas, I’m not in that position; I’m a poor grad student and future teacher.

The other thing: I got pretty ripped off in San Francisco on the Wrangler. I can actually reduce my embarrasingly high lease payment with an ‘05 Liberty. And in spite of the rumors about its low gas mileage (which won’t be a shock to me; the Wrangler is hitting 17 around town), saving money on the payment is the most important deal. I don’t drive long distances.

The Wrangler only has 20,765 miles on it. The lease officially ends in April, but they’re willing to end it early if I’ll get a new one.

Works for me. I’m doing my research and I’m going to a couple of dealers tomorrow to see what we can work out.

So That Happened …

FYI: Visit the UM Medical Center Emergency Room on a holiday weekend Saturday night and you should feel lucky that you’re only there a mere eight hours for a relatively minor complaint.

See, this sulfa drug that my doc prescribed for my reactive arthritis caused a nasty reaction. As in high fever, terrible aching and did I mention the silliness, zaniness, loopiness and nonsense rhyming and singing and forgetting and spacing and saying inappropriate things in public?

The ordeal started Thanksgiving night and for me it was mostly a blur. I remember bits and pieces here and there, but reality and fantasy were seriously mixed up for quite awhile. For Frank, it was hellish. Poor guy.

We arrived at the ER at 20:00, didn’t get into the treatment area until almost 01:00 and we got home at 04:00. They took an x-ray of my chest (clear), lots of bloodwork (all normal), urinalysis (no problems) and gave me an IV (which just caused me to have to quickly stagger to the restroom) and then they misdiagnosed me (‘you’re having a viral syndrome’), shot me full of morphine and told me to keep taking the drug to which I was reacting.

The rash started Sunday afternoon and by Monday morning, I was loopy again. I saw my regular doc and he called it correctly, prescribed prednisone and within a few hours, I was back to normal, playing with the dog, grumbling about ignorant fascists in the newspaper and so on.

I still don’t remember a whole lot; it seemed that sometimes I thought something and then realized that I might just have said it out loud. People probably thought I was some crazy drunken homeless man in my pajamas, slippers and blanket wrapped around me. The whole ER scene was bizarre anyway, although I’ve seen worse.

It was quite the surreal and weird and painful and hallucinatory holiday weekend. The best part by far was the morphine.

And so how was your Turkey Day?